So far, I have played three different characters through the Dungeon Finder tool. A destruction warlock, early twenties; a prot warrior, mid 40s; a discipline priest, early sixties.
Queue times, oddly enough, are basically exactly the same as they are for 80 heroics. The queue as a DPS warlock usually runs about ten to twenty minutes, the queue time as a healer is always under a minute, and the queue time for a tank is instant. Which is just bloody fantastic! Tanking is surprisingly fun, but I could be horribly misguided at the moment.
See, I’ve tanked Zul’Farrak twice now. That is the extent of my tanking experience. However, I ran Zul’Farrak with a holy priest specced into (and glyphed for!) Lightwell. I was a bit “wtf” at the start, but mr. priest kept pounding that “use the lightwell! USE IT!” drum pretty damn hard, so I figured what the hey. Thunder Clap keeps aggro pretty well by itself, I can afford to deselect my target for a second.
Turns out? That Lightwell we all mock churns out slightly over 500 health every two seconds, or basically 1500 health over six seconds. That’s pretty dang powerful for a lowbie instance, considering that’s half my hitpoints.
It also meant that, once I’d gotten used to using Lightwell, mr. priest was encouraging me to start pulling absolutely insane amounts of mobs. As long as I tanked them near enough to where Lightwell was, I had powerful on demand heals, in addition to whatever the priest threw my way too.
The result? Crazy shit, like:
- Pulling Ghaz’wanker or whatever that thing is called and two trash packs (a total of eleven mobs, I counted) at once.
- When the “Let the executions begin!” event thing at the pyramid started? Yeah, I just ran down to the bottom and grabbed everything. Then we had to wait for respawn because we killed everything too fast.
- You know those tombs by that one priest boss? You click on them, and sometimes you get helpful stuff and sometimes mummies spawn and eat your face? Try popping a third of them all at once. Then the next third without even stopping. Then the next. Then the boss.
I was acting like I was running lowbies through some lowbie instance. Except, you know, I was only two levels higher than the mobs I was pulling in the dozens.
But I gotta say… I’m really hurting for some mobility. I don’t get Warbringer until level 50, and I want it sooo baaad. To be able to charge into combat instead of lumbering about like a tard in plate? Do want. Do want very much.
Lowbie DPS is… well, it’s about the same as the upper levels. I pull 100 DPS at level 22 if anything lives long enough for me to shadowbolt more than twice, and here I am grouped with rogues who struggle to find the sinister strike button (hint: bind it to spacebar, all the good rouges do) and face pull four trash packs and a boss all at once.
I always try and use my imp… usually I switch to my voidwalker about the second pull. I have yet to meet a tank who has more HP than my voidwalker, and even the competent tanks (of which there are many) struggle in the face of DPS so incredibly stupid that publishing their exploits would cause mass suicide amongst my more delicate readers.
Speaking of incredible stupidity, my first time healing in Outlands as a disc priest starred a deathknight named Vanquish. Vanquish, of course, was the hugest cockmonger I have ever seen this side of arenas. There was also a mage who had replaced his mana bar with some sort of vaguely orange substance labeled “unmitigated failure.”
The instance was Slave Pens, and we get to the part where you jump off the bridge thingy and land in that pool of water. The mage slowfalled himself and somehow managed to pull every single trash pack on the floor there. About fifteen mobs ran right into the party, and me being the doofus I am, shielded the tank and was immediately curbstomped.
Total party wipe, and everyone releases and runs back. And by everyone I mean “everyone who isn’t the tank.”
One DPS didn’t die, he’s a rogue, rogue’s don’t die as long as they have a vanish button to push. So me, the fail mage, and whoever the other DPS is all run back. The mage… doesn’t zone in somehow? I see him alive, but where the hell is he? The other DPS tries to run back to where we were, gets lost, dies, drops the party.
Meanwhile, I’ve almost made it back to our wipe spot, and the tank, Mr raging doucheknight Vanquish, says he went to get a drink and some food and blah blah.
Great, so, release and run you lazy bastard. (Yes, I actually did say that. I’m not very subtle.)
He sits there.
I get all the way back to where we wiped. I jump off the edge, but instead of landing in water, I land on… well, land. I die instantly from the falling damage of course.
LOL WOOPS LOOKS LIKE I DIED. GUESS I’LL HAVE TO RUN IN AGAIN.
He gets the point, releases and runs. Good doucheboat! Good! Here, have a muffin. It’s garlic and pineapple flavoured.
You know that addon that pops up in party chat whenever you complete a quest objective?
One of those pops up from the fail mage. Hurray he just completed a quest!
This is immediately followed by “woops I zoned out” then he quits the party.
Anyway we get two more DPS and finish the dungeon. Vanquish says “alright, I’m done for the night” to forestall any “again?” comments, and quits out. I quit out, requeue, and it’s Blood Furnace.
LO AND BEHOLD, the tank is Vanquish.
“Hi Vanquish” says I. “Done for the night, huh?”
He says nothing.
We down the first boss easy enough, plate gloves drop, and Vanquish is ecstatic as hell. YES, FINALLY, and all that.
Then he drops group immediately after receiving his loot.
Now, maybe this is just me, but aren’t people supposed to try and get on a healer’s good side? You know, so they group with you again? Acting so poorly that a healer puts you on ignore seems kinda dumb to me.
OK, two points in this post almost made me spew soda all over my pretty monitor.
“There was also a mage who had replaced his mana bar with some sort of vaguely orange substance labeled “unmitigated failure.””
“Here, have a muffin. It’s garlic and pineapple flavoured.”
OK, that one almost just made me spew, and not necessarily soda.
I am tempted by the power that is Lightwell on my priest but not certain how much effort I want to put in training a party to use it. Blizz knows it’s sort of a freaky mechanic and they’ve thought about changing it. Maybe someday soon.
As a healer in the 20s I’ve had to wait 8 MINUTES for a party! That is totally unacceptable! If I wanted to wait that long I would just queue as DPS.
What’s wrong with a garlic and pineapple flavoured muffin? I even used real garlic!
My aversion to garlic is legendary amongst friends and family.
“There was also a mage who had replaced his mana bar with some sort of vaguely orange substance labeled “unmitigated failure.”
You must have missed the latest patch notes. He was specced Tang.
I make it a point to get on the healer’s good side almost immediately. Tables on my mage, overly apologetic tanking on my paladin… and that’s really all I have at the moment. But seriously? Who doesn’t love their healer? ^_^
I do the same thing, always quick to drop a table on the mage, even quicker to ask “do you feel comfortable healing me through this? if not, i’ll drop group” on my little dk.
I only drop tables if someone asks.
As a paladin healer, I don’t need to drink on any of the old heroics (the patch 3.2 one included), and rarely have to even with the brand new 3.3 ones. High mp5 ftw.
It costs 20 silver per table. I ain’t dropping that stuff unless someone actually needs it. And if they actually need it, they’d ask.
I don’t drop a table, but I always have a 3 full stacks of strudel available at the start of an instance, and always offer. Sometimes, the healer doesn’t even ask.
Though I should note – I *always* offer. Healer needs to keep ME alive, too
What are these rumors I hear of getting on the healer’s good side?
I HAVE NO GOOD SIDE BITCHES
Actually, people are usually more excited because I’m an enchanter :/
Speaking of lightwell, more people should speak of lightwell. You had a good priest – he pounded it into the party. Lightwell is totally OP to balance out the fact that no one ever bothers to use it.
This a thousand times. My disc/holy priest has lightwell in her holy spec. When we went into toc and the stupid hunter dps decided not to move with para posion on he got frozen right next to my well which then proceeded to keep him alive till the posion wore of.
OK, I should be getting another level on my priest this week and I just might toss it into this little toy.
Are there some pointers on time to use, placement, etc?
A macro to announce it’s there and they best use it?
Arioch, Matticus had a good article with tips for lightwell:
http://www.wow.com/2009/08/10/spiritual-guidance-a-lightwell-primer/
Lightwell is great for long fights where people are standing on one place for a long time, or at least where you can be sure they will run past the lightwell repeatedly.
And a macro is a fantastic idea. If you’ve got vent, remind people to use it – it’s kinda like a healthstone in some ways. It’s a great tool that people can use for their health – if they just remember to use it.
Thanks much, read and bookmarked.
Now just need my friends to log before I level off the freaking cooking and JC dailies.
Level up and Lightwell has been obtained.
Now to yell at people to use it. If anything, I figure it gives the ret pally something to click on instead of building more aggro.
Yeah they have to buffed Lightwell a heck of a lot because only it’ll only be used half the time by players… if at all.
Glad to hear you got great use out of it!
Don’t forget your ignore list. A click of the mouse and you Have one less jerk to worry about in LFG. Also, the site looks awesome from my iPhone.
You seem to have had some good runs with your prot warrior. I have as well with my 48 or so warrior. I do get the guy that blasts Arcane Missles or whtever at the target next to the one I am gaining aggro on right after a pull and then after I taunt loads another set of Missiles at it.
Mostly though, I have had a really good time tanking, especially with the instant queues. It is fun to see the other side of the boss for a change.
And, leveling while sitting in the warrior trainers room in Ironforge is not too shabby either.
I talented Imp. Thunder Clap for the extra damage, and honestly I cannot see how I would maintain a modicum of AoE threat without it. I hit TC every time it’s off cooldown, and that extra 30% damage adds up to a lot of extra threat really, really fast.
No matter what target my DPS decide to attack, all it usually takes to yank threat back is a Shield Slam and a Revenge or something.
I usually make it a point to put Vigilance on any mage I group with, though. Damn aggromonkeys, those guys.
First, selfish pricks are selfish at all levels, not just level 80.
Second, Lightwell can’t just act like the one of the 5man-ToC?. You know, just sits there and heals people at random, or become another “intelligent heal” with less range. Basically a totem that heals people with the less health in a 20-30 yards ratio.
Third, some good news (although offtopic):
Prot Warriors, meet Nerfbat.
Nerfbat, meet Prot Warriors.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=22418633982&pageNo=4&ST=US-489147-4renXzrZKY9HTGh5gEnXEjXlLBdn6dO3nw5#66
Charge and Intercept are not going to break roots or snares anymore, just Intervene.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418633982&sid=1&pageNo=6#111
And block stacking for insane Shield Slam damage…is going down.
Having insanely good survivability (second only to extremely well played prot paladins, and even that is up for debate), burst damage as high as the majority of specs, and the ability to lock down an enemy player literally indefinitely, all in one spec?
Sure, it’s hard to play well, but nobody seriously expected prot warriors to survive unnerfed, did they?
Too bad PvP prot warriors don’t stack block value. They use Critical Block and Armor Pen. Which means this change will do nothing in PvP.
I know that is wrong, but watching Warrior QQ on the forums is way too much fun. And Shield Slam damage will go down a little.
Besides, being kitable do makes a lot of a difference. Welcome back to mortality, bitches.
How quickly we forgot that strength improves block value.
lol in the spirit of the guy on his iphone who commented earlier, i am surprised to see the sites format works extremely well on kindle. and yes lightwell deserves a pat on the back for awesomeness indeed.
Sucking up to the healer is a religion that I practice faithfully in every PuG.
And my sympathies, you do seem to get stuck with idiots whenever you stick a toe into the waters of the Dungeon Finder tool.
Sucking up to the healer is THE WoW religion for any group, be it 5-mans or raids.
The ball is always in the healer’s court. Especially when they have shadowmeld.
I was playing on my druid and one of those ADHD kids life tapped to less than 200 health and then proceeded to demand heals. Similarly this fool demanded heals after being rezzed. My druid is in typical blue/green gear at 71 and I don’t waste mana on stupidity. Stupidity ranges from noob warlock lifetapping just cos their name is lifetapp for e.g. Also noobism is not hitting the rift in Nexus that is marked skull and everyone including the tank is focused on. The lamest noobism from DPS is motivated by their delusion of “oh I am so overpowered, I don’t need tank or heals to take on an instance”, and no – don’t expect a rez or heals after that.
But they could totally solo it with a healer!
Amirite?
Depends, but totally doable.
Actually, with tanks having instant queues, some of them act like complete jerks and just leave group if things don’t go their way.
I like the idea of “accidentally” dying on the way in to force the lazy guys to run in.
I found as a healer that pugging the 15-25 level randoms was really harrowing and awful… around level 30 my abilities start to advance enough that I can actually keep a tank up, and people seem to be catching on to their roles a bit better. Early LFG was disturbing though… four hour deadmines runs… the stuff of nightmares.
The lightwell is a lie.
Not only do you have to train your DPS/tanks to use it, but it breaks on significant damage (more than 30% of your total health in damage).
The problem is not training people to use it, most raiders learn new mechanics relatively quickly (stay away from the ooze, become an abomination, all that jazz). Having a heal that heals for massive amounts, except when you actually need it to heal for massive amounts, is a problem.
Make it smaller and not break on damage, I might just consider using it.
But not really.
Maybe if you gave Priests a care package for speccing lightwell?
“cockmonger” ha ha ha I love it. I so am gonna have to find a way to use that soon.
Sorry your DK tank was a douche… but you should know that healers are just as taken for granted as all the rest of the classes are.
I do hope you enjoy it though, healing presents a refreshing new challenge from a different perspective of the game.