E-mails
I am getting your e-mails. I receive lots of them, read them, then sigh in deep regret because I can’t just dash of a quick couple sentences to them. Nearly every e-mail I receive would require time, effort and a lengthy response to adequately respond to. Yes, I could reply to a question about frost mages in arena with a quick bulleted list, but that doesn’t really answer the question, just addresses it.
I’m sure you see the difference.
I may only be in first year University, but I am taking second year level history courses. I went into the IB (International Baccalaureate) program in high school, which can be best labeled as the “International program for students who think they’re smarter than everyone else and want to prove it.” Oh do I have stories about IB… anyway, it means I get treated as if I have already done the first year course of whatever classes I took in IB and did great in.
University is hard, blah blah, not really, it just eats up a lot of time. Especially the history courses.
So in answer to all those people who’ve e-mailed me your excellent questions, consider this your public acknowledgment. Keith, Dan, Theodore, Ripples the Pengiun (I’m not kidding either), I got it. Your e-mail is safe in my inbox with a little frowny face tag.
I’ll get to them… hopefully…
My last final is Monday, I should have a LOT of free time after that to get out proper answers to them.
Twisted Nether
I was invited to participate in the Twisted Nether round table, but sadly the recording time fell directly onto my raiding schedule.
I would have gone anyway had we been doing farm content like Sarth 3D or the first half of Ulduar’s hard modes. But heroic ToC was on the schedule, and I can’t exactly properly participate in a round table discussion of the past, present and future whilst doing hard mode 10man content. Sure, I could have gone anyway, but I can’t split my attention between a talk show and Anub’arak hard mode and still be competent at both.
It was one or the other, and super apologies to Nibuca, Fim, and ALL MY ADORING FANS <3 <3 <3 but heroic Anub’arak came calling and I had to answer.
We one shot Beasts, Jaraxxus, Faction Champs, two shot twin valks (guild first kill!), then wiped like ten times to Anub’arak. I think our best attempt had him at nearly 50%. MONTHS BEHIND again… but we’re saving the lockout and we’re gonna get the damn thing down sooner or later.
Videos
I’ve been asked several times if I’m ever going to do my own podcast (a la Big Red Kitty featuring brief but manic mage QQ sessions) or videos of me running around in battlegrounds.
The answer to the podcast one is “maybe.” Making a podcast type thingy, even a brief one, takes a fair amount of work. I’ll look into it, and we’ll see. It can’t be that hard… right? I already have a computer and a mic, I’m halfway there!
The videos thing… I actually did try to make PvP style videos before. But… well, the computer I play WoW on isn’t exactly top of the line. The newest part of my computer is an Nvidia 6600 graphics card that’s over six years old. The computer itself features not one, but TWO processing cores, an entire gigabyte of RAM, and a wopping 140 gigabytes of memory.
Trying to record video with Fraps was… disastrous.
So unless somebody out there wants to send me a check for three thousand dollars, I’m afraid the whole “video” thing is going to have to wait. Possibly for a long time, considering University. Though… if I stopped eating in January, I could get some money together…
Occulus
This place has been nerfed so hard. Old Kingdom is, by far, the most difficult heroic in the game now. Honestly Culling of Stratholme is more difficult than Occulus. You can get the 20 minute achievement without even trying.
Mages stacking crit wtf
Krizzlybear mentioned that, all of a sudden, the mages in his guild are stacking crit, and he’s giving that a big ol’ “WTF”.
And to that I say… wait what? Stacking crit? What the hell is wrong with those mages?
For arcane and frost, crit is almost bottom of the barrel statwise in their worth. Relative to fire, they both have low crit modifiers, though arcane has the lowest. They also receive a very large amount of passive crit from talents. Arcane gets an extra 30% whenever clearcast procs, frost gets an extra 50% whenever fingers of frost procs. Thus, having crit as an actual stat on gear isn’t that great.
I’m struggling to understand where the whole desire for crit suddenly came from, and I think I have an idea.
Haste, as you know, makes you cast faster. The more haste you have, the faster you can cast. You can also drink a potion of speed or pop icy veins to go even faster, and a shaman can pop Bloodlust and that speed reaches ridiculous levels. We all know this.
For purposes of WoW, you are already familiar with the meaning of the term “cap”, or “capped”. When you have 17% spell hit chance, you are considered “hit capped”.
Things like the spell hit cap is a “hard cap”. Stacking that stat beyond the hard cap provides you with absolutely nothing. Naturally, there is also such a thing as a “soft cap”. When something reaches it’s soft cap, it provides less for you than it did before. For example, armor and defense rating for tanks work this way. The more armor you have, the less each point of armor gives you, and once tanks hit their defense cap, additional defense rating is still useful to them, just nowhere near as useful as before they reached the soft cap.
Haste works the same way for mages.
Basically, once you’ve hit the point where your global cooldown has reached one second, and your ABlast cast time has also reached one second, additional haste will provide you with nothing. Thus we have the idea of soft caps.
For example, if you have Bloodlust, Icy Veins, and a potion of speed all cooking at once, you only need 804 haste on your gear to reach one second GCDs and ABlast cast times. Thus you can consider 804 a soft cap for haste under that exact situation, which amounts to about 15 seconds of a given fight.
You can, if you were an idiot, consider 804 haste rating a hard cap, and value any haste beyond that as totally worthless. Thus you would conceivably get your haste to 804, then start filling in your other pieces with crit as it is now more valuable. If you also have 2pT10 and Black Magic, that can also give you some insane haste values, lowering the soft cap even more.
I can understand where this viewpoint comes from (and now that I’ve gone looking for it, I find it everywhere. wtf?), but it’s wrong. Yes, under those conditions, the point of haste that brought you from 111 haste to 112 haste gives you more benefit than the point of haste that brought you from 900 to 901.
At no point does haste hit hard cap. HASTE IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN CRIT.
Sure, you could stop yourself at 804 haste, but then what do you do when Bloodlust isn’t up? When IV is on cooldown? When your potion wears off?
Here’s a better idea. Ignore the half-baked idea of haste hardcaps, and stop thinking of the idea of a soft cap as something to actually stop at. Keep stacking haste rating as high as you can make it go, nothing has changed. Instead, when Bloodlust goes up, stagger your haste cooldowns. Pop your speed potion. Wait for Black Magic to proc, then as soon as it ends, hit Icy Veins.
Blowing everything all at once then saying crit is better than haste? Speccing arcane then gemming for crit or actively seeking crit in any way, shape or form?
Don’t make me link to the scrubs wrong video again.
“Instead, when Bloodlust goes up, stagger your haste cooldowns. Pop your speed potion. Wait for Black Magic to proc, then as soon as it ends, hit Icy Veins.”
This is exactly what I do.
I thought everyone did that …
I’m only at 520 haste. Need more, damnit!
Yes! YES! Much more!
Working on it. Got new booties from Heroic HoR or PoS with some extra haste. I am also saving up for the 75 EoT haste head piece.
I think I’m sitting at 596 right now. Is it worth breaking the T8.5 set for additional haste?
810 haste now with a head, chest, and belt drop from HPoS. And a haste enchant on a new/old cloak.
+81 SP on my staff or black magic?
Which bonus you talking about? T8 4 piece is worthless. The 2 piece, however, is fairly decent.
For staff? I say +81 SP.
Two piece T8. But I have to drop it to get that much haste. I figure going from 596 -> 810 haste is worth more than +350 SP part of the time.
/shrug
We’ll see how it goes.
I assume the angryfacerant about crit was leveled at Arc and Frost mages only, since, as we all know, fire always NEEDS MOAR CRIT.
It was in response to the sudden rise of arcane and frost mages actively searching for, and even GEMMING, for critical strike rating.
So crit is still ok for fire? Or will you make a slanderous post about my badness?
After you hit the crit cap, haste becomes better for Fire.
Which is, I believe, somewhere north of 3500 crit rating, depending on your Intellect and such.
So gem up to 3.5k or so crit rating, then go for haste!
Crit is just fine for fire. Seek it out and love every minute of it.
I strongly advise you to gem spellpower though, not crit. Gemming crit is almost always a poor choice.
Friends don’t let friends gem crit.
“At no point does haste hit hard cap.”
Of course there is a haste “hard cap”, it occurs when your cast time is reduced to 1 second with no outside cooldowns or procs, ie. static haste from gear, raid buffs and talents.
The chances of hitting that cap during this expansion are pretty much nil though.
Realistically, it is impossible.
Theoretically, yes, there is such a point.
You’d have to get over two thousand haste rating from gear alone. I forget the exact number, it’s around 2200.
It’s a lot of haste, definitely in the “utterly impossible” range.
Even then, it isn’t technically hard capped. Even haste beyond that number continues to reduce the cast time of your spells, it just won’t effect the GCD anymore.
Spells casting faster than the GCD is still beneficial, as it lessens the impact movement has on your DPS.
It is an extremely small benefit, yes, but a benefit nonetheless.
I will agree, there is a haste hard cap, but that does not occur until all your spells become instant cast.
Well I was at 812 and then I got that spyglass… down in the 700s again. Need moar haste.
The worst part is switching to my priest and feeling like my spells take FOREVER to cast.
Or switching to Fire from Arcane to light people aflame in Wintergrasp.
It’s sad when Scorch feels like a long cast.
I am an IB graduate and now an IB teacher (specifically, ToK and Philosophy). Kudos to you for maintaining this while doing your coursework!
Great site. Great information. Thank you
When Krizzly mentioned this as well. I was on twitter post haste to decry those mage stacking haste… WRONG!
Hitting 817 haste now, and I am loving it.
I R noob.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Malygos&n=Griswelda
On the plus side, our guild JC owes me. Time to call in a favor of three +haste gems.
ps: I know I’m well over the hit cap. The chest piece is new.
Anything else that I’m obviously doing wrong?
Seem to have caught you mostly in PvP gear. Wouldn’t say anything is wrong per se, I’m guessing you just don’t have a lot of badges to work with right now. Grinding heroics will get you so many badges now it’s not even funny.
As a tailor, get the Lightweave embroidery on the cloak. (EJ has it as the best profession benefit for mages at the moment).
Drop the MP5 gem.
Farm normal ToC5 for the Abyssal Rune and snag the Talisman of Resurgence with badges.
The Handbook of Obscure Remedies will drop your hit and trade it for haste (also badge purchase).
Make sure your PvE helm has a Chaotic Skyflare Diamond as the meta. Looking at the meta you’re using now, it looks like you’re worried about threat. Move 2 points out of Arcane Stability and put them over in Arcane Subtlety. (assuming your first spec is PvE as it does not have instant invis)
Pricey, but if you can swing it the Merlin’s Robe and Bejeweled Wizard’s Bracers (the Alliance equivalents of course, I just don’t remember their names) will last quite a while. Then use the helm, gloves and shoulder slots to complete T9.
With just badges you can put together a pretty darned respectable gear set.
My 2 copper.
Thanks.
I leveled this toon in BoA stuff in the BGs before they nerfed the exp. Thus all the PvP gear.
I am on the badge farming plan. Two of the three T9 pieces came from heroic farming. The other came from VoA. Since I’m over the hit cap I’ll probably go for the T9 gloves and the 4 set bonus. Only 30 badges and I can lose the hit off my gloves and still be near or at the hit cap.
I should adjust the PvE spec. For example, I don’t need that point in Slow. The 2 point move from Arc Stability to Arc Subtlety is something else I should do. The other spec is my PvP spec and I should use that one for dailies.
This toon is an alt and a work in progress so any advice will help. I had no idea about the haste>crit thing. I guessed I’d rather hit harder than faster. I guessed wrong.
I can’t speak for frost, but crit is an essential mechanic for a fire build with the way that Hot Streak works. For arcane, we do get a small benefit now from the Arcane Empowerment addition, but it’s just gravy compared to fire needing crits.
With Arcane that you are fighting a battle against the clock with the Arcane Blast debuff. Haste allows us to move around with a little more time to spare to squeeze out another Arcane Blast before you lose your stacks and have to start all over.
We also have no instant casts (I don’t count Arcane Barrage, it’s not a staple of the rotation). Arcane Blast and Arcane Missiles both start out with some hefty cast times. There is no Living Bomb or Hot Streak proc to get instant damage out there.
And nothing is hawter than a Missile Barrage proc with Bloodlust and Black Magic and a high haste rating. /swoon
Oh, I missed it earlier, but swap the Mage Armor Glyph for Molten armor. Unless I spaced out on something recently, Mage Armor never even gets used anymore.
Theory Craft-o-Matic (a mage talent/dps calculator) suggests these priorities for stats:
Arcane:
Haste>Spellpower>Crit (gear and gem for haste)
Frost:
Spellpower>Haste>Crit (gear for haste, gem for SP)
Fire or Frostfire:
Spellpower>Crit>Haste (gear for crit, gem for SP)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s the general “rule of thumb” I’ve deducted from what smarter people have told me.
The TCoM will give different weights depending on the specific gear loaded.
http://zaldinar.bounceme.net/tcom/index.php
As gear changes, the weights will change on a sliding scale.
I guess my gear hasn’t gotten to a point where it’s switched from what I’ve suggested.
There is some sort of threshold of spellpower where it almost always switches to haste. I personally haven’t found where the sweet spot is, but I’ve heard it’s anywhere from 2k to 3k spellpower.
It’s definitely not at 2k SP. I’ve got about 2300 with my meagre haste of 596. Still scales haste about 0.1 better than SP.
Whoops, I misread what you replied with. Disregard my last.
I wonder if (or where) the threshold is for arcane where SP becomes more valuable than haste. Any idea?
Ahhh Theorycrafting…I need a drink!
I’m an arcane mage and my prioritites are:
Spellpower>Haste>Crit
Should I not gem for Spellpower and replcae them with haste? I dont remember the exact number of haste or spellpower gems I have.
The aforementioned Theory Craft-o-Matic page (http://zaldinar.bounceme.net/tcom/index.php) allows you to import your character from the WoW Armory. Pick the appropriate options you want (ie: trinkets, length of boss fight, raid buffs, etc.)
Once you input all that, it will actually calculate which stat carries more value for that situation. I usually gem for what’s highest on the list, but you’ll have to use your own discretion if values are close. (ie: do you really want to pay 200g+ just to regem and see a slight dps increase?)
Well I have to check that out when I get out of work. Thanks
In T9 even fire mages should value haste over crit. Load up T9 pieces with rawr or check out simulationcraft’s dps scaling factors for mages http://code.google.com/p/simulationcraft/wiki/SampleOutputT9#DPS_Scale_Factors.
For ttw/fire it’s hit>HASTE>sp>crit>spi>int (4.3>2.2>1.9>1.7>1.5>.6)
For arcane it’s hit>haste>sp>spit>crit>int
(4.3>2.1>1.8>1.2>1.2>0.9)
Never gem for crit.
Yeah, the T9 bonuses seem very Fire spec oriented to me. Thus I’m a little on the fence about switching my chest and head to the T9 gear from the T8.5.
The T9 set bonuses can be described as “nearly worthless” from an arcane mage perspective. Ignore the set bonuses completely. Pretend mages didn’t get a T9 set, and there’s just some vendor hanging out with five pieces of cloth gear.
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Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but, we got a new guild member who runs a successful 25 icc raid on a different server. She was going through the main 10 man raid armory and was asking why I gem for haste. I told her haste is a better gem for me than sp at the moment. She kept going on saying I should replace my haste with sp gems.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moon+Guard&cn=Frostblood
Any advice? Did I start stacking the haste gems before I got enough spell power?
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