There’s a lot of hate going around this weekend, so I figured I’d join in. Who doesn’t want to start off their work week by shaking their heads and saying “boy oh boy, knowing I’m better than someone else makes me feel so good!”
This is a story that actually happened quite a while ago, mostly because I wanted to see if the hunter in question ever decided to become non-stupid. Happily, the answer is no, as Mr. Trollson is still proudly sporting strength gear and a tanking cloak.
But Rip! I can hear the complaints already. What if he just doesn’t know what he’s doing?!
First off, bullshit, he’s been aware of the existence of blogs like BigRedKitty, Hunter’s Mark and Aspect of the Hare since that Naxx run four months ago.
Second off…
Well, settle in, kodo excrement is about to cease being imaginary in status.
This was a continuation of an in-progress Naxx run. Two wings had already been cleared, Construct and Military left to go. First up, Patchwerk, naturally.
Trollson asked in raid chat which pet he should bring. A reasonable question for a new hunter. Being the only one in the raid with a hunter above level 70, I gave him a whisper to find out what options he had.
I swear I am not making this up.
He had a gorilla at 79 and a cat at 75.
I was stunned momentarily. But I recovered quickly, after all, it did make sense. As a brand new 80, of course he would only have a gorilla at level cap! It’s only logical for below average hunters.
I told him to bring the gorilla. A level 75 cat isn’t going to be able to hit anything. At least a 79 tenacity pet stands to actually hit something.
Then he asked me about spec, something more better for raiding.
WHOA. Hold up there! A hunter actually willing to learn?! Sheer glee!
I asked him what his current spec was. 71/0/0.
Oh dear. Laddy, we got us some work tae dew.
So I gave him some tips for a more better raiding spec. Drop points from the BM tree, get Mortal Shots, that thing that makes your intellect into AP, that thing that gives your pet focus when you crit, etc, etc.
You know, just real basic stuff.
He thanked me, and followed my advice to the letter, except where he didn’t (Improved Concussive Shot is apparently better than Careful Aim), and I said “hey, no problem man, just helping out a newbie.”
That’s when I sent him the way of the wise, and to go check out the hunter blogs mentioned above, amongst others. (Rilgon, you hilarious son of a bitch you, never stop posting on MMO Champ.)
And that’s when he dropped the bomb.
“Oh no, I’m not new, I’ve been raiding since vanilla. I’m just new to 80 DPS.” (Spelling here exaggerated to be correct.)
Oh I see. Maybe he played a healer before. I mean, I’ve met plenty of healers who couldn’t DPS themselves out of a cardboard box if their life depended on it (hi there, Leotheras the Blind, long time no see).
So I went along with it. I said something about being happy to help a new hunter, it’s not always easy learning an entirely new class, and so forth. Just real nicey nicey stuff.
It was at that point he got a little grumpy. He’d apparently been raiding for a long time as a hunter, and claimed to have downed Kael’Thas last expansion.
Uh huh.
Sure.
At this point, there’s really only two explanations of why this guy is utterly clueless about huntering:
- Brain damage
- Carried by friends who were too nice to tell him he sucked
I shrugged, washed my hands of it, and was basically confident that I could easily pick up his slack in the DPS department.
So we clear to Patchy, pull him, and down the guy. Hurray for loots and so on.
He sent me a whisper roughly every 12 seconds from zone in to Patchy dying.
This would explain his sub-900 DPS.
That’s right.
Less than NINE HUNDRED damage per second on PATCHWERK.
The only raid boss in the entire end game where you can just stand there and DPS as hard as you can, and… well you get the point.
Before you ask, yes, his gorilla made up 70% of his damage.
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“Anyone remember raiding original Naxx?”
YES.
YES.
So this hunter, armed with a 79 gorilla with taunt turned on (of course it was turned on!) who failed to crack 900 DPS on Patchwerk said he had RAIDED and CLEARED the original 40 man Naxxramas!
Oh yeah. And the gorilla’s name was bigMAMA.
Never have I felt so bad for a tiny collection of pixels. Imagine being that poor gorilla, hopelessly devoted to such a hunter.
He feeds you a delicious treat, and tells you to go taunt the big evil bad guy. You charge in and taunt, more than happy to fulfill your master’s wishes.
Then Gluth whirls around and kills you instantly.
Then you get rezzed, are told to charge in and taunt, then you die, then you get rezzed…
This is why Heart of the Phoenix has a cooldown, not for balance, but for mercy.
Oh my… just, oh my.
Hey, at least he has his professions maxed out!
Well, at least he feeds his pet. There’s a metric assload that don’t.
Hey, he never said (at least in the story) that he cleared original naxx, he said he killed Kael’Thas (!= Kel’Thuzad). Which I’d love to see, as it is one of the gimmicky fights, at least for me, till today.
I left out a lot of what he said, but he did definitely claim to have cleared everything in Vanilla, including all of old Naxx.
How did you NOT use the word “huntard” even once in this post?
And as a constituent healer forever and always, I will just fess up now. See, I’m used to keeping things alive. That’s why, when I try to DPS, things just DON’T die. That’s actually a mark of how great a healer I am. No really. Trufax.
Did he equip a range weapon?
Or did he run in melee?
Does he know that he has to click on spell buttons to activate them?
Did you have seen the recount date, which spells he used?
Funny Hunter.
yeah he had cleared naxx 40.. i gues on youtube:P
Thank you – dunno how I managed to miss Aspect of the Hare.
I guess I just assumed that there were no BM-blogs left since WOTLK.
I need to read up, so I do not end up here !
I think hunters are the new warlocks.
To be fair, bigMAMA is a better name than, you know, Gorilla.
I make a point of ganking any cross-faction hunter I come across who doesn’t even have the common decency to give a NAME to the little guy who TANKS for them.
Now, now. Sometimes the name for a pet is the type as well.
My favorite pet on my hunter is my turtle… named Turtle. There is a big story behind it, and it’s a big joke with my guild as well.
Turtle is not pleased by your comments.
@Lucy: I guess I’m guilty of that. I never named any of my pets, but I stand by my decision of doing that because I suck at coming up with names. I figured Gorilla would be better than anything I came up with.
I cried a bit on the inside.
The greatest guid leader, and raid leader back in the day I ever met was back in the day was a hunter. There’s some out there…but very few out there.
Everyone knows that anyone who’s intelligent rolls a mage.
My level 69 Hunter has a Gorilla named Kongsecrate. Under 900 dps is ridiculous.
I like his trinkets…
Every time I see someone who has put ALL of their talent points in a single tree, a part of me dies. But another part of me is laughing my ass off.
Oh lord….was he still using starting zone arrows?
I feel sorry for his Gorilla on so many levels…
Turby the Hunter
Alas, he’s probably still working on getting his DK up to 80. Rest assured, I’ll revoke his license when it comes up for renewal.
I’d just like to say your name is awesome.
I’m not biased at all.
I know, eh? I spell it differently. I wish I had known about this blog before I started the hunter blog though
I’ve seen worse than all talents in a single tree. Try talents divided up equally between all the trees.
I saw a rogue at 80 once who had a 21/20/21 spec.
Also, a quick armory shows that his tales of Old Naxx and Kael’thas killing is bullshit.
He should roll a DK, he would fit in with the rest of the tards that play them. Not to mention, he could do better dps without knowing anything about his class.
@Magejuego – Sadly, the Armory isn’t 100%. If he killed the bosses prior to Achievements – and didn’t get any loot (or complete any quests that require the boss) – then he doesn’t get credit. My Warlock doesn’t have a credit for AQ40 and I’ve killed him a number of times.
On the subject of newbies…
I’ve been playing since a month after releaes. But in that time I’ve never actually played with a real-life buddy. What can I say, it’s hard to find video game enthusiasts at 30.
A month ago a friend from church finally bought the game. He’s a high-school teacher so heard about it. He knew I played. So he signed up.
And of course he rolled a hunter.
He’s trying. I know he’s trying. And I have to hold back, because I know as a new player he would do better to learn things as he goes along with just some hints and pointers from me.
But sheesh. It’s hard watching him click and keyboard turn and die (hunters can die in solo content – he’s proof!).
Hopefully, with some help from me, he won’t be sub-900 by 80. But I can see how it happens. I really, really can.
A hunter can’t die in solo. That’s impossible. That’s like an affliction lock with a void dying in solo, it just doesn’t happen.
…does it? God i hope it doesn’t.
This made my semi-retired 80 Hunter die a little inside.
I laughed a bit, though it does pain me that IF he has been playing since vanilla, why the heck hasn’t he learned his class by now?
I would like to say, as a hunter, that he does NOT represent all hunters…
Alas, the vast majority of them are retarded for some reason… But there’s dumb mages and warriors and every other class out there too… just for some reason some hunters think they need tank gear…
An incredibly dumb mage was actually the primary catalyst of this blog coming into existence, so there’s always some good in total fail!
My 15 minutes of fame have arrived!!
I had one of my guildies, an 80 warlock, ask me the differences between blessings.
I had a warrior respond to my ‘lf tank x instance’ with a ‘ill come’
‘are you a tank’
‘not sure, i just do my job and things get killed. i try and kill everything in sight’
‘do you have a tank spec and gear?’
‘not sure. i put points where i feel like’
turns out that someone had said that his DPS was so low that he couldnt call himself a DPSer, so his theory was if he wasn’t a DPS, he might be a tank.
Sounded like he was 12 or something so i wasnt rude.
My lvl 71 hunter with a slightly weird BM levelling spec does around 700 dps atm… can I come to Naxx plx? Just hand me the huntard epixx and I’ll put them in my bank, kkthxbai.
Also, a relatively recent naxx25 pug that I joined just before Sapph to help out some guildies.
Conversation just before Kel Thuzad:
Me: “*insert hunter name here*, I don’t think levelling a pet in Naxx 25 is the best idea, would be nice if you could bring out a lvl 80 pet for this fight tbh.”
Huntard: “WTF is your problem?!?!”
Le sigh.
@Jules;
“YOUR PET IS FACE PULLING, NOOB!”
True story – did that in Kara myself until I figured it out. We’d file into the room with Shade, I’d pop out my pet, and suddenly “Who are you? What do you want?! Stay away from me!” And if I was lucky, everyone was inside.
/sigh
Our guild awards the Huntard Hat to the one causing the most spectacular wipe in a raid. Guess who it was named after?
I got better
I met many huntards. I’m a hunter myself, I discovered the official forums and blogs like BRK’s or Pike’s around level 30 and I’m still learning everyday with this game. I’m pretty aware of theorycraft about hunters, not being very used to videogames, that helps me a lot to know the theory, even if I need quite a lot of practice afterward.
So when I come across an idiot telling me that he knows what he is doing when putting all his points in the same tree, I just *sigh* and move on. At the beginning, I felt bad, thinking maybe I was wrong because I hadn’t much experience. But now I’m in the top guild of my server, I’m handling applications from hunters who want to join us, and huntards may be stupid, they know my guild tag… Which is odd by the way, because they know so few about their class but soooo much about who killed this and this…
But when I’m on my little druid, who is in a random guild noone knows, and I try to give advice, I can get some pretty nasty answers… Or meet nice players wanting to learn and really happy wih the help.
When I meet huntards, I just want to log off and open a book…
Lol what you should do is, when you see their application, log on your druid, give them advice, and see how well they take a little helpful criticism. Good judge of character.
Don’t worry about judging character… Noone last long in the guild if they don’t accept criticism, rarely nicely given… My guildies are not exactly sweet with bad playstyle and not optimized gear and talents… You really need to have strong nerves to cope with their bad humour…
And don’t worry, I do that, playing my druid with applicants, with other guildies rerolls… We love our incognito.
Hehe, oh man.. that was a doozy. It’s true that we were all noobs once, but that is pretty epic. Almost makes me wish I still had the stomach to pug. It can be totally worth the stories sometimes.
I recently helped turn a Huntard friend into a very good player. Went from about 1k dps to about 2.5k with help on specs and rotations. Obviously being a friend and willing to learn was the catalyst.
Also, a Huntard story from Kara back in the day. I had been clearing Kara every weekend with friends for a long time. One of my RL buddies finally made it to level 70 and we took him along. We were pulling trash to Attuemen when about 20 mobs came at us and roflpwned our face. Turned out that he accidentally tab targetted Midnight and pulled the whole wing.
There are no dumb mages, those are hunters wearing robes. Pfft!
Man that is… that is just great. Oh man that’s… his tanking cloak that’s… TOO perfect. Oh… OH!
I’ve actually seen more than a few warlocks who just spammed soulfire nonstop, and a couple mages who went oom in 5 seconds by ONLY using arcane blast.
I tried to do as much research on my class as possible when leveling, so I avoided most of the noob habits and mindsets.
to be fair to the healers, it wasn’t lack of skill that made leo so hard for them.
It was the fact that Spell Damage and Healing were separate stats. You couldn’t DPS in your healing gear, but you couldn’t very well heal anyone in DPS gear.
Also, the inner demons were immune to shadow damage – not so good for Priests, for instance.
Our tanks had a ton of trouble on that fight, too.
Solved it by popping Recklessness, unless they got it twice…