Much has been discussed of the class make-up of the top ten teams on the official arena tournament realms (though nearly every discussion tends to devolve into either DK/Pally bashing or flame fests where the european players call the american players “skill-less cockmonglers”).
You can read the MMO Champion post in it’s entirety here, though really the only important part are these two graphs: the class makeup for the US realms, and the EU realms here.
Nearly every discussion on this comes down to how overpowered Death Knights or Paladins are, and if it doesn’t do that, then the poor players on the US realms get flamed for being FotM imbeciles.
Note: It stands for “Flavour of the Month”.
What many people fail to realize is that standing behind every successful Death Knight there’s a paladin. And not just any paladin, but a Holy paladin. And even then, there’s either a hunter or a warlock standing somewhere nearby, too.
The class(es) in themselves aren’t overpowered. It’s when you combine them with other classes that powerful synergy breaks out and renders that specific composition of classes much more powerful than any of them alone.
That’s just the way WoW works. DK/Shaman/Rogue, for instance, would be a sort of retarded comp. There’s not really enough synergy there for much of anything to work properly. While a grouping like that has it’s tricks, it isn’t coherent. (Just watch that comp become the most powerful in S6, just to prove me stupid.)
But replace that shaman with a paladin, and replace that rogue with a warlock, and suddenly you have an immensely powerful combination.
Random side note. Warlocks don’t need buffs in PvP. Warlocks are fine. The problem is all the melee characters that outgear them on live servers. Put Warlocks on even footing, gear wise, to all the melee characters ripping them apart on live servers, and suddenly those issues disappear.
I digress.
I find the hatred between random US and EU commenters to be hilarious. I highly doubt any of the actual top players from either side invest in trolling and flaming each other on the internet; it’s all of their strange, angry supporters that are nowhere near as skilled, and yet want to get in on the whole epeen strokefest anyways.
Nothing makes you feel better than belittling some anonymous idiot in a quasi-racist argument on the internet about a small portion of a video game.
Anyway, the primary insults used by the EU players is that the US players don’t have as much skill as the EU players, and thus go with whatever comp is most powerful that patch because they’re incapable of playing anything else.
The EU players, meanwhile, are obviously extremely gay. Because they’re from Europe. And Europe is gay. Right, Europe? Or should I say EurGAY?
Commit that insult to memory. I’m sure you could use it to devastating effect in an argument with anyone from Europe or Uruguay. Providing they’re twelve.
Laughably awful insults aside, I think the difference between the top classes for EU servers and US servers has everything to do with the mentality of the players.
For pure example’s sake, let’s say every player has two values: they want to win, and they want to have fun.
For EU players, it’s the latter value that’s more important. They want to play the class they have fun playing. They still want to win, but that’s secondary to doing what they liked doing in the first place.
There’ll be, say, a 3v3 team with the comp Rogue/Mage/Priest. They like that comp, they like their class, they want to keep using it. They hear how powerful DK/Warlock/Paladin is, but they aren’t going to reroll. They like what they’re doing, so they stick with it.
These players still want to win, but it isn’t an overiding concern. They aren’t going to sacrifice their own enjoyment just for the sake of hopelessly crushing their opponents.
US players are a little different. That whole having fun thing is secondary to winning. American players want to win, no matter what the cost is. Sure, maybe Bob from Texas really likes playing his warrior, but if warriors suck in PvP and DKs rock, well… just take a guess as to which one he’ll be playing at 80.
It’s not that these players don’t garner any enjoyment from playing a class they may not particularly like. Quite the opposite.
More than anything, these players like to win. Bob the Warrior doesn’t like Death Knights as a class, hates the mechanics, and finds the whole rune system to be clunky and awkward compared to the finesse of a rage bar, but he sure as hell likes to win.
These positions are exaggerated, but I hope it’s easy to see the mentality behind it.
To exaggerate it a little more, EU players want to have fun, win or lose. US players can only have fun when they win. Losing is intensely frustrating at best.
There’s obviously a major disconnect between these two schools of thought. One can’t understand why the other has this need to always win, and the other can’t understand why the one finds it acceptable to be a failure.
Draw your own conclusions on psychology, it’s 7AM and I’m going to bed now.
Just goes to show you what an echo chamber the class forums/blogs can be. I was intensely surprised to see warlocks get such a huge representation, as it was my perception that they were vastly underrepresented as a class in general, and unsuited specifically to pvp because of their lack of burst capacity.
Clearly that is not the case. Just curious, but what spec were they rolling? Affliction? Demonology?
“I find the hatred between random US and EU commenters to be hilarious. I highly doubt any of the actual top players from either side invest in trolling and flaming each other on the internet; it’s all of their strange, angry supporters that are nowhere near as skilled, and yet want to get in on the whole epeen strokefest anyways.”
Not read many Gameriot blog posts, have you?
There are a few very prominent Tourney players on there who absolutely love to talk smack, especially on a continent vs continent basis.
@Ferenczys: The Warlocks are Demonolgy – all the way to Metamorphosis (aka Demon-form). I don’t know the exact strat of these groups, but it is heavily reliant on the AoE put out by the Death Knight and the Warlock.
According to those blogs that Suicidal Zebra mentioned, the DK changes in 3.1 are going to basically shut down this comp as an overpowering force.
@ dorgol – from what I’ve read and heard, yeah, it’s down to Meta for “demon form + charge” macros for spell interrupts and “demon form + immolation aura” macros for some pretty ludacris AoE damage.
I think your explicit breakout of desires into winning or having fun is a little misleading.
The thing is that for a great many people winning = fun and losing = not fun. That simple fact alone explains most of what goes on in many MMO’s.
So the breakout is really: Those for whom winning is fun, and those for whom something else is fun.
Just to chime in about the Lock representation for teams on TR:
1) TR allows you to gear your Lock to suit your needs/lineup, unlike Live servers where you will scrap for things here and there.
For classes like Priests, Locks and Shamans, hitting 800-900 Resilience in a reasonable amount of time vs. buying a new character and pimping it out in every way are 2 very different things.
The other thing TR supplies a pool of gear that doesn’t mirror Live, for example I don’t think it has the high end iLVL226 melee weapons from KT, etc.
2) The Locks are being used to “darkhorse” a particular metagame for 3v3, which is namely countering the popularized DK/Hunter/Holy Pally for 3v3.
DK/Lock can put alot more pressure on the other team’s Holy Pally because once UA goes up you can’t proactively get rid of a good portion of the DK’s DPS (disease)—the actual damage from the Lock as well as his role to take heat off his DK and Holy Pally partner (aka he tanks for his team) is icing on the cake.
3) The Locks are 54/17/0 Haunt/SL spec, not Demo/Metamorphosis. Meta really only works in specific lineups like 2DPS 2v2 and 4DPS 5v5.
Dude!
What about the ignite nerf?
Or am I just comin down with a case of Elixir of the Frost Wyrm Paranoia?
Awesome post! “skill-less cockmonglers”..priceless
Meh,
people are people.
EU or USA.
We are all the same.
I myself think it is absolutely idiotic to think otherwise,
it merely seems these types of things spawn out of
real life stereotypes, which are uncommon in all actuality, and in some cases some of those stereotypes on the forums, unfortunately.
But there are also Trolls, who will say anything to
piss the other party off. For instance, adhere to these
preconceived notions, and play the part of a WINORDIE
player.
I myself, don’t like PvP (as a thing I choose to partake in).
Don’t mind me, I’ll continue herbing in Storm Peaks.
However, I have no problem casting a few spells and
sending people to their knees while laughing in a terrifingly
evil manner.
But in conclusion, I think everyone is the same
People just want to fight over something for the sake of fighting.
For the sake of fighting.
Oh, what more of a grand idea
could we as a people think of…
perhaps next the world will succumb to the idea of
coming home, and channeling long hours into advancing
in our virtual, double-lives.
OH WAIT.
As for me, back to advancing in my double-life.
There are monsters to behead!
(Oh god, what have I become!)
P.S. – Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!
I agree with what some of the others are saying – that EU and the US are the same. To be honest, i don’t really think a lot of casuals (by this I mean people who would have more fun by stiking by their favourite class, and not rerolling to annihilate the competition) actually play arena.
So if people who would stick by their class don’t play areanas, then all players are the same, and they’ll reroll to smash the scarce casuals there may be.
Just my two cents.
Now if only two cents could buy me a pony someone recently promised me.
P.S. Nerf Locks!
Deleted the double post, Theawàkening. Kept the new one with the post scriptum.
OMG. Can I please use this for my new signature line in any and all forums…
“Nothing makes you feel better than belittling some anonymous idiot in a quasi-racist argument on the internet about a small portion of a video game.” – Euripedes
You crack me up. Great writing.